Wednesday, July 04, 2007
Staying Up
Not there was ever any doubt :)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
Full decision here.
Summary here.
The full decision is definitely worth a read..it outlines the full background and sequence of events.
Key point for me is that WHU (under new ownership) disclosed the breaches voluntarily in *January* and yet a decsion was not made until the end of *April*. During that time Tevez played a lot more than he did prior to January. WHU could have rectified the 3rd party contract in January (similar to the way Liverpool legally negotiated Mascherano's contract) if we had not had to wait for the tribunal's decision. The new owners clearly had the desire to obey the rules evidenced by their voluntary disclosure of the breaches.
Tevez should have and would have been playing legally for us from Jan onwards (the majority of his actual playing time for us) had the PL & the tribunal not taken over 3 months to rule.
There was a scary bit in there...the new tribunal made the comment that they would likely have deducted points from us if they had been the original tribunal since they would have placed more weight on the club's deliberate deceit. Jebus.
With the cloud lifted hopefully it will help attract quality players...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/6252310.stm
Full decision here.
Summary here.
The full decision is definitely worth a read..it outlines the full background and sequence of events.
Key point for me is that WHU (under new ownership) disclosed the breaches voluntarily in *January* and yet a decsion was not made until the end of *April*. During that time Tevez played a lot more than he did prior to January. WHU could have rectified the 3rd party contract in January (similar to the way Liverpool legally negotiated Mascherano's contract) if we had not had to wait for the tribunal's decision. The new owners clearly had the desire to obey the rules evidenced by their voluntary disclosure of the breaches.
Tevez should have and would have been playing legally for us from Jan onwards (the majority of his actual playing time for us) had the PL & the tribunal not taken over 3 months to rule.
There was a scary bit in there...the new tribunal made the comment that they would likely have deducted points from us if they had been the original tribunal since they would have placed more weight on the club's deliberate deceit. Jebus.
With the cloud lifted hopefully it will help attract quality players...
Posted by norven munky at 7:20 am
BonzoBoy said...
Well now perhaps the hammers and the blades can now get down to the more important thing of being football teams rather than being the subject or press propaganda and the bullshit is over.
Comon You Irons
beggers said...
Definitely the right decision, no doubt about it. And I'm not just saying that because I'm West Ham I'm saying it because a decision was previously made based of the evidence presented, by an accepted independant commission and a punishment dealt out accordingly. End off. Anything after the event was just moaning. Their timing and basis for their arguement was piss weak all along. Still you never know how these things are gonna go even when they look black and white.
And through all this was WH have handled itself with great dignity whilst the SU hierarchy look like whinging mugs.
Now we can get on with the business of playing football.
norven munky said...
not sure its that black & white.
A big part of SU's complaint was that they contended the 3rd party agreement was still in place and Tevez should not have been allowed to play in matches while that was the case.
If you read the full decision it quotes a lot of correspondence between the club, the PL & the lawyers for MSI. And while MSI acknowledged receipt of WHU's letter 'purporting' to end the 3rd party agreement, they also said their rights were fully and expressly reserved. i.e. they were not agreeing that the contract is terminated. The PL did whatever they could to ensure the contract was terminated and took some extra measures like getting us to agree that we would always maintain the agreement was terminated even in the face of legal action challenging that view.
Sure SU came across like pratts in the media, but I think they had genuine reason to question the validity of Tevez's registration.
Reverse the situations and for sure we as fans would be complaining about the injustice of it....at the end of the day the club admitted deliberate deception, they even asked 1st if that type of agreement would be ok, the PL said no, so we then put our hand on our hearts a day later and said there was none involved in either contract. A bald faced lie.
We dodged a massive bullet.
beggers said...
Still looks black and white to me. It's just arguements about wording, it doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I read that the PL have come across these third party agreements before and said that they do work with the parties to come up with an outcome acceptable to all. You don't honestly think this is the first third party agreement they've come across? It is common place and quite acceptable in both the Spainish and Italian leagues. So it's a nothing thing IMO. And I don't call coping the largest fine in PL history dodging a bullet. We broke the rules and were punished excessively IMO:)
norven munky said...
don't wanna get in a pissing contest or anything but have you read the full decision?
The PL attempted to find out if other 3rd part agreements existed and everyone said no. Obviously they are common place in Sth American and elsewhere but in the PL's jurisdiction it would seem they are not.
We *asked* them if one would be ok and they said no.
5.5m in today's PL, while the biggest fine in history, isn't that really much. Certainly not excessive ;-)
said...
I'm with munky that we've dodged a bullet for sure. But at the same time I do feel a little miffed that Terrence Brown is staying out of the lime light on this. He is a big slimey cunt who should be punished for his corruption! Sheff Utd should sue him for compensation and so should Eggy.
beggers said...
You're always with NM Davie boy! You lads aren't related are ya? :)
Yeah I read it, didn't change my views though. Not 'avin a go at you Tone just see things differently that's all.
I think we can all agree that we're glad it's all behind us and we can move on. Hopefully with this saga over, the club might look a little more attractive to potential suitors?
Onto a different topic, got the end of season'Great Escape' DVD a couple of weeks back. Fuck we missed some opportunities to take games by the scruff of the Neck early in the season. Bowyer and Marlon missed a couple of chances each when it was harder to miss than score! Anyway ancient history now. Bring on Aug 11!
TheRedRisky said...
Bowyer did miss a few glorius chances, and after he got 3 assists and hit the post in the charlton game.
Oh well.
I wish the season would hurry up :P
Ive jusrt been killing time waiting for the asian cup
norven munky said...
Dave's an essex boy and I'm a norven munky so we coudn't possibly be related ;-)
Yeah people are potting Scott Duxbury for lying and still having his job but of course he would have been directed to lie by TB.
As you say Dave, Eggie should sue but he probably won't :(
TheRedRisky said...
Doo Doo Doo Nigel Cheerioker
Hes on his way to villa for a medical etc. Yay hes finally gone. 8.5 million pounds, which means we made 8 million off him :P Enough to buy another CM to partner Parker (With noble rotating between them).
We need a new left back and another striker as well.
Teddy's left us for Colchester. I Still think hes cool though :P (even if he did play for Millwank and the yids).
BonzoBoy said...
Sheffield United have launched an appeal in the High Court claiming the arbitration panel made an error in judgement over the Carlos Tevez affair.
The panel turned down the Blades' claim for a new disciplinary commission to be set up to deal with West Ham.
Oh they make me laugh!! they are never gonna be satisfied until they get the outcome that they want,which is never gonna happen!!
Comon You Irons X
norven munky said...
apparently Dave is from Hertfordshire not Essex..so he's a ponce not a geezer :)
norven munky said...
Carole told me I was a pillock saying Essex when it was actualy Hertfordshoire..so technically it's her you are calling a dickhead :)
What does hampshire make you? A sheep shagger?
said...
Technically I was calling you a dickhead cos I was talking to you and you got it wrong first up. lol.
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BonzoBoy said...Well now perhaps the hammers and the blades can now get down to the more important thing of being football teams rather than being the subject or press propaganda and the bullshit is over.
Comon You Irons
beggers said...Definitely the right decision, no doubt about it. And I'm not just saying that because I'm West Ham I'm saying it because a decision was previously made based of the evidence presented, by an accepted independant commission and a punishment dealt out accordingly. End off. Anything after the event was just moaning. Their timing and basis for their arguement was piss weak all along. Still you never know how these things are gonna go even when they look black and white.
And through all this was WH have handled itself with great dignity whilst the SU hierarchy look like whinging mugs.
Now we can get on with the business of playing football.
norven munky said...not sure its that black & white.
A big part of SU's complaint was that they contended the 3rd party agreement was still in place and Tevez should not have been allowed to play in matches while that was the case.
If you read the full decision it quotes a lot of correspondence between the club, the PL & the lawyers for MSI. And while MSI acknowledged receipt of WHU's letter 'purporting' to end the 3rd party agreement, they also said their rights were fully and expressly reserved. i.e. they were not agreeing that the contract is terminated. The PL did whatever they could to ensure the contract was terminated and took some extra measures like getting us to agree that we would always maintain the agreement was terminated even in the face of legal action challenging that view.
Sure SU came across like pratts in the media, but I think they had genuine reason to question the validity of Tevez's registration.
Reverse the situations and for sure we as fans would be complaining about the injustice of it....at the end of the day the club admitted deliberate deception, they even asked 1st if that type of agreement would be ok, the PL said no, so we then put our hand on our hearts a day later and said there was none involved in either contract. A bald faced lie.
We dodged a massive bullet.
beggers said...Still looks black and white to me. It's just arguements about wording, it doesn't wash with me I'm afraid. I read that the PL have come across these third party agreements before and said that they do work with the parties to come up with an outcome acceptable to all. You don't honestly think this is the first third party agreement they've come across? It is common place and quite acceptable in both the Spainish and Italian leagues. So it's a nothing thing IMO. And I don't call coping the largest fine in PL history dodging a bullet. We broke the rules and were punished excessively IMO:)
norven munky said...don't wanna get in a pissing contest or anything but have you read the full decision?
The PL attempted to find out if other 3rd part agreements existed and everyone said no. Obviously they are common place in Sth American and elsewhere but in the PL's jurisdiction it would seem they are not.
We *asked* them if one would be ok and they said no.
5.5m in today's PL, while the biggest fine in history, isn't that really much. Certainly not excessive ;-)
said...I'm with munky that we've dodged a bullet for sure. But at the same time I do feel a little miffed that Terrence Brown is staying out of the lime light on this. He is a big slimey cunt who should be punished for his corruption! Sheff Utd should sue him for compensation and so should Eggy.
beggers said...You're always with NM Davie boy! You lads aren't related are ya? :)
Yeah I read it, didn't change my views though. Not 'avin a go at you Tone just see things differently that's all.
I think we can all agree that we're glad it's all behind us and we can move on. Hopefully with this saga over, the club might look a little more attractive to potential suitors?
Onto a different topic, got the end of season'Great Escape' DVD a couple of weeks back. Fuck we missed some opportunities to take games by the scruff of the Neck early in the season. Bowyer and Marlon missed a couple of chances each when it was harder to miss than score! Anyway ancient history now. Bring on Aug 11!
TheRedRisky said...Bowyer did miss a few glorius chances, and after he got 3 assists and hit the post in the charlton game.
Oh well.
I wish the season would hurry up :P
Ive jusrt been killing time waiting for the asian cup
norven munky said...Dave's an essex boy and I'm a norven munky so we coudn't possibly be related ;-)
Yeah people are potting Scott Duxbury for lying and still having his job but of course he would have been directed to lie by TB.
As you say Dave, Eggie should sue but he probably won't :(
TheRedRisky said...Doo Doo Doo Nigel Cheerioker
Hes on his way to villa for a medical etc. Yay hes finally gone. 8.5 million pounds, which means we made 8 million off him :P Enough to buy another CM to partner Parker (With noble rotating between them).
We need a new left back and another striker as well.
Teddy's left us for Colchester. I Still think hes cool though :P (even if he did play for Millwank and the yids).
BonzoBoy said...Sheffield United have launched an appeal in the High Court claiming the arbitration panel made an error in judgement over the Carlos Tevez affair.
The panel turned down the Blades' claim for a new disciplinary commission to be set up to deal with West Ham.
Oh they make me laugh!! they are never gonna be satisfied until they get the outcome that they want,which is never gonna happen!!
Comon You Irons X
norven munky said...apparently Dave is from Hertfordshire not Essex..so he's a ponce not a geezer :)
norven munky said...Carole told me I was a pillock saying Essex when it was actualy Hertfordshoire..so technically it's her you are calling a dickhead :)
What does hampshire make you? A sheep shagger?
said...Technically I was calling you a dickhead cos I was talking to you and you got it wrong first up. lol.
