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 norven munky said...
Pleased as I am to have 3 points in the kitbag, I'm still feeling far from rosy particularly about Pards..

He didn't do anything to change my opinion that he doesn't have the tactical nous to handle a big squad in a league as competitive as the Prem.

If things are going cruisy with Plan A he's ok. If the situation calls for something other than Plan A, he goes to the cupboard where he keeps his managerial repertoire and comes out with...well nowt.

What did he do different here? Different fullbacks due to injuries/suspension. And Sheringham up front to partner Bobby. Cracking header to be sure but as Dave said his speed has gone and he was just managing to scramble a toe to balls that (and here Dave & I differ) sometimes worked out ok. This was against an injury depleted Blackburn team who were playing away. At least half of the teams in the EPL would have chewed us up and spat out the bones. That aging toe wouldn't have been getting anywhere near those balls I'm afraid.

But back to Pards..a month ago he had 14 days after the Reading game to come up with a plan to arrest the slump. What managerial rabbit did he conjure up out of his hat against Portsmouth? Sheringham up front. How'd that go again? 0-2.

Against Blackburn today we were absolutely dire in the 2nd half. We rode our luck while AP rooted around in his Managerial cupboard looking for inspiration and after an eternity he finally made a sub...

Fortunately we got 3 points. Unfortunately Pardew got a reprieve from the inevitable. In a month we'll still de in deep shit, and Pards still won't have a clue how to handle a big squad in a big league.
 

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Whew.
 

 beggers said...
Well said WH.
 

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 West Ham said...
Even though we're at home against Arsenal, I wonder how closely Pardew will look at Everton's away performance at Cashburton Grove.

I’m all for being positive, especially at home, but the last thing our recovering confidence needs is a big home reverse.

Moyes:
“'We could not come here and play an opening and attacking style against Arsenal because they would have ripped up apart,' said the coach who was sent from the touchline late on for remonstrating with the officials. 'Anyone who saw them at Reading last week would know what they are capable of. The way they are playing this season is even more difficult to stop than it has been in years gone by, so we have to give ourselves a chance.”

Soccernet’s Insider analyses the Arsenal v Everton game if anyone is interested.

I think we can get something if we frustrate them tactically and are disciplined. As much as I’d love us to have a real go at them, we’re not in their half the table with good reason. I’d rather have two good performances and then go mental away to Chelsea. Absolutely fucking off the scale mental at Chelsea.
 

 whubris said...
This was a big one for us as I think we needed to get something in the bag before the Arsenal game. If we'd lost I'd have given us no hope in that match, but now that we've won I think we're in with a decent enough chance. All based on confidence.

Geeze I feel a lot better today about WHU than I have done for ages.
 

 norven munky said...
Decent enough chance against Arsenal? G you've popped another one of those pills you took after the Argies were signed and you said we had one of the strongest squads in the league..
 

 Dave said...
Norvern - It all depends which Arsenal show up mate - they're about as consistent as us (ok they're not that bad). On their day they can be devastating but they've had more than a couple of off days this season.

Personally if we can hold it together I think we may get a draw.
 

 Dickster15 said...
Had forgotten what it felt like to wake up, switch on the PC and find out we had won a game overnight...delighted we got the three points and the pyschological boost of moving out of the relegation zone (even this early in the season) Reckon we might sneak something against the arse - or at least here's hoping...
 

 Hobbs said...
I think we're good for at least a point against Arsenal.

Given their need to keep up with Chelsea and ManU, a late winner for us might even be on the cards.
 

 norven munky said...
I know G calls me a sad sack and stuff but here's some food for thought...

Last season prior to the home 0-0 draw with Arsenal we led in with :-

Won 4-0 (H) vs Villa
Won 2-1 (A) vs Fulham
Won 4-2 (A) vs Sheff Wed C'Cup

Prior to the 3-2 away win against them (where I backed us at $8.75!) we led in with :-

Won 2-1 (A) vs Norwich FA Cup
Won 2-1 (A) vs Villa
Won 2-1 (H) vs Fulham
Won 4-2 (H) vs Blackburn

I can't be arsed typing out our recent form leading into the home game against them this weekend but there's a lot less wins and goals.

And the one win we have had in our last nine was not that impressive against a depleted team.

Things are still fucked and in all likelyhood we're gonna get an Arse wh00ping, (pun intended) come Sunday :(

11.30pm on Fox btw.
 

 beggers said...
Brisvegas, get your misses to put some money on Le Arse, if you pls.

Come on Norvern no doom and gloom today mate, it's just nice to have a win after such a long time.

Needed this one big time. At least we can approach Le Arse on a positive note. Would hated to have gone into the game on the back of another loss.
 

 whubris said...
All I'm saying is our chances are better.
 

 Dave said...
There's no fuckin' pleasin' some people is there - sad sack ;-)
 

 Melbournehammer said...
I think the Upton Park crowd deserve a big 'Well Done' for the support they showed to the manager and the team.

It was pleasing to hear 'There's only one Alan Pardew'as they crossed to Upton Park this morning.

Positives were Richard Green in goal and Spector at RB.Bowyer's fit again
Negatives were Bobby Zamora and umm Bobby Zamora.I cant say the guy has no skill after some of his goals last season but at the moment he is plain woeful.The one on one miss was a shocker.How much closer did you want to get to the keeper!BZ should have been subbed not Teddy.

Anyway onwards and upwards from here.
 

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 Anonymous said...
am liking the look of a draw between citeh and the boro tonight. don't want a gap to open above us and also to keep them in the scrap.
 

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hear hear Melbourne Hammer. It was brilliant to hear it.
 

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 beggers said...
Good call Melbourne, loved the home support. You could really hear it on the TV, must've been awesome in the ground. I truly believe the support shown by the crowd made the difference.

Watched the game again last night, bit blurry eyed first time round. Good first half, shakey second half. We definately look better being more direct. When Yossi and Ethers were running at Blackburn things really opened up. When we had a slow build up we'd eventually lose possession.

Thought the back four were good. Spector and Macca were both were really committed to the cause, chased everything, tackled hard, when the ref let them, and got forward. If only they could learn to cross better. Gabbs and Anton looked in the groove, bout time.

Thought it was ballsie to play Teddy instead of Marlon, but it worked and it was a class header.

We had a bit of luck with the second goal, it should've been a goal kick, but seeing as it's the first bit of luck we've had in a hatful of games I'll take it.

Green looks heaps better than Carrol for me, he should keep his place.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby, what a chance, he just panicked.

Very happy with the win, obviously, still heaps of room for improvement but we showed that little bit of extra effort, in periods of the game, which, by all accounts, has been lacking the past few weeks. Again, I think the crowd played their part in spurring the boys on.

Bring on Le Arse!
 

 Anonymous said...
yeh the crowd was great, i was there and Pardews name was being sung. The crowd were gettin quite restless when it lookd like we wouldnt get a second but after a bit of pressure the crowd was in full voice for the corner and it paid off.
 

 Anonymous said...
West Ham United's board is finalising talks with Kia Joorabchian and his Israeli backer, Eli Papouchado. A £75m takeover offer will be made on the completion of due diligence; likely before close of business on Friday.

If this happens, i hope he's more like Randy Lerner and less like Vladimir Romanov.

Is this good for our football?
 

 beggers said...
Anon, you were at the ground! Nice one. Didn't know we had a local boy on the site, thought we were all expats or home grown lads on here?

Million dollar question RE the takeover. Hopefully, all that will change will be that we maybe get some extra cash to splash around.

It doesn't seem to have affected any other teams, Portsmouth, Villa, Man U etc. Chelski are an extreme case mind and I can't see the same thing happening to us or to anyone else.

I think that the supporters are the heart and soul of WEST HAM anyway, and as long as we don't desert them, we'll fundamentally reamin the same. Least I hope we do?
 

 Hobbs said...
I’m sure I read a rumour that the one potential investor was only interested for the real estate. Maybe not for sale, but for equity.

The FA need to address all of this. Peterborough has lost their ground to a property investor for 3m with the potential return of 20m. They haven't been kicked out yet, but they could be.
 

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Beggers, I don't think we'll be getting any money. Some sources say that Kia wants to carry the debt with the club, i.e. doesn't want to pay off the debts, which suggests to me that it's a like-for-like takeover.
 

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whubris, no extra money! sounds like a waste of time.
 

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Maybe as a shop window for South Americans whose registration is owned by individual businessmen rather than clubs, perhaps?
 

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I knew you'd be writing something so I went something a little different from a match report. :-)Had a few things to say about the situation and Teddy and Hayden's performances.
 

 whubris said...
I agree that McCartney's crosses weren't up to scratch but I thought he looked better than Konchy has lately and was worth a 6.

Mullins.. ah good old Muggers. To be honest I was half asleep during much of the match (having stayed up to watch the MotoGP as well..) and my main memories of his performance was a pathetic attempt to regain the ball having lost it very early on, and a few instances of some pretty good interceptions and covering work. So I wouldn't strongly disagree with what you said :-) Certainly he's worth a start over Masher at the moment.
 

 beggers said...
Agree Dave, surprised at those stats? Top scorer last season you think he'd be playing the full 90? He will score a few, I've no doubt, hopefully he can start a run tonight?

I also think the unsettled aspect of the side is a contributing factor to our current form. Double edge sword for Pards though, stick with a formation that is playing poorly or try to chop and change till you get it right? RE my post yesterday.

Not a bad night at the Roar last night, bumped into several WEST HAM and didn't get any stick for wearing my shirt, which was surprising? Must have been the 'we're bottom of the league and I'm pissed off' look I had on my face.

When is Ashton back? And does anyone know if Tevez is fit to play?
 

 Melbournehammer said...
I think Marlon needs to played on the right.In the Championship, he mostly played on the right.Who can forget his cross to Bobby for the second goal against Ipswich in the second leg of the semi final!
I think most defenses have worked us and Marlon out.He hasn't got the skill or class of Ashton to create something out of nothing.For him to get his confidence,he needs time on the ball which he can get playing on the right.
 

 Melbournehammer said...
Beggers, you sure it wasn't the "Congrtulations you have just met the ICF" card you were handing out at the Roar game for the reason you were not getting any stick?
 

 Anonymous said...
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"I have no idea whether Terence Brown is a Woody Allen fan, but it is tempting to picture him as the Melinda character on that fateful day in August as the transfer deadline approached. There he is, the unloved chairman of a homely and upwardly mobile football club, when drama intervenes in the shape of Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano. Brown and his sidekicks on the board are suddenly confronted with two prodigious Argentina stars and an Iranian-born fixer who sounds as if he has big ideas."
 

 Anonymous said...
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 beex said...
I have a confession to make. It's all my fault. For the Chesterfield game I was really tired but I found the weblink and was gonna watch it but decided not to as I had to get up early the next day. I woke up with 5 mins to go, turned on my laptop, tuned in and Chesterfield scored. I'm very sorry. I'm too scared to make a prediction.
(PS - 2-1 to us, up yer bum Mark Hughes!!!)
 

 West Ham said...
Not only do we need to win for the points, but if we can't beat Blackburn at home, then where are out next points and next good performance going to come from?

Arsenal at home
Boro away
Chelsea away

We can't afford to take 0 from 12 points. We at least need to show some promise and urgency this weekend at get 3 points. Under the current circumstances, loses to Arsenal and Chelsea can be tolerated if we show some promise in those two games and take (preferably maximum) points from Blackburn and Boro.

If pardew is to be sacked, then it should be done immediately after Chelsea away and with someone in mind, so they can come in and lift the team to a win over Sheffield United at home. Most teams win for their new manager, so we may as well give him the best possible chance. Would you like to take over just before Chelsea away?
 

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I'll have a punt at 3-1 to us.
 

 West Ham said...
Andy Gray says 'Cocky Players Letting Down Pardew' on Football 365.

If we can just win this weekend... grrr.
 

 Hobbs said...
If the players were cocky, then they shouldn’t be for this one. No one knows ‘too good to go down’ doesn’t wash, better than us.

I think we’ll win this one.
 

 beggers said...
No score prediction from me guys. To date my predictions have been useless. According to my previous predictions we should have had 27 pts by now and be top of the league!

Pls win.

Beex, apology accepted. And here I was thinking it was me! I bought the new away shorts just after the Liverpool game and it's been all down hill since. Damn you shorts!

WH, We'll smash Le Arse and Chelski mate, why an earth would you think anything else?
 

 beex said...
Ha, ha Beggers, thats classic. Just goes to prove how paranoid and superstitious we all are. I think it's safe to say that we have the players to turn this around but it's the belief we need. I think Lee Bowyer could be a key here (don't like him that much) but he has that Billy Bonds type of grit that we need right now. We need to carve out some results, stop the fuckin long ball bollocks. I really believe it's our midfield that made us last year and by and large it's them who've let us down this year.
 

 Dave said...
IMO Pardew is wrong to keep dropping Yossi - we severely lack flair without him in the side. I hope he plays tomorrow.
 

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I agree Beexie, Control the mid-field, goals will come, as will a clean sheet.

Dave, also agree, can't drop Yossi, easily our best player when he's in the groove? And the only player we have with any real skill who can unlock a defence. He's crucial IMO.

My team for tomorrow would be, given current injuries and the fact that Pards won't drop NRC:

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I'd put Collins in as he's good in the air and scores the odd goal. Gabbs has been down on form badly. Need Anton for his speed. Pants, well who else? Macca, because this is the chance he needs to impress and I think Konch needs some time to re-address his role in the team. His dip in form has been frightening. Let's be honest Macca couldn't do any worse.

I'd really like NRC to also have a stint on the bench but that ain't gonna happen, so no point in pretending.

I know it's another change of formation, and I think that's also been one of our problems this season, but some of our regular players have had enough time to find form and it seems, for some, it isn't gonna happen anytime soon.

I love the idea of players fighting for a spot to run on, it's that attitude we need from all players and one that seems to be missing.

Over to you lads.
 

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I hope we do smash them. :)
 

 Anonymous said...
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Anon - fair enough but when Yossi isn't in the side I think we lack imagination and invention. We never look like creating much when he's not there. The strikers aren't getting goals but they're not getting chances either.
 

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If Bowyer's injured, Yossi has to play IMO. Need a play maker. Obviously he has to be on song to be effective. Who do you play when he's playing poorly? I want the FA Cup Yossi back!
 

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 Melbournehammer said...
Beggers,I think Konchesky is suspended, so McCartney probably a certain starter. Fairly sure I read somewhere that Tevez is injured.I agree with Collins, also dangerous from set pieces and corners.
NRC shouldn't, but he will be palying.Isn't it intresting when the Argies signed everyone said Mullins would lose his place to Mascherano, yet he is one of the few that seems to be trying.

My line up for tonight would be a 4-5-1.
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I would let Marlon play on the right.Let him use his speed to run at the defense and give us some width.Mascher and Mullins as holding midfielders and Etherington on the left if he is fit.Let Yossi play freely behind a lone striker.I'ts unlikely AP will go with something like that but IMO we need to try something different and something Blackburn wouldn't expect.
 

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Melbourne - something they won't expect as long as it's positive and we take the game to them. :-)
 

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I like the idea of Yossi in a free role. Melbournehammer's line up looks good. I probably wouldn't go with Teddy by himself from the start though.
 

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Melbourne, ha ha, ICF cards, nice one. Nah mate, they've all seen Green Street and were shit scared! Brissie boys aka 'Eagle Street Elite', "where's your famous ESE!" If that was the case that would mean Dave's character would be that top man with the terrible Cockney, 'Mary Poppins' like accent!

Like the lineup as well, but he won't drop NRC. I also like the idea of Yossi free role. Thought for sometime that M & M in the middle would shore things up at the back, but again, unless someone does a 'Tonya Harding' on NRC, he's playing.
 

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Right I'm up now - tired but I'm up and ready to go - let's fucking do this! Come on you Irons!
 

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It's just more talk! Until a deal is done, if it ever happens, I have no time for rumours of future events.

Live in the now and look at the table!The only thing we should be thinking about at the moment is getting back to the business of winning football matches.
 

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i think we can safely say that whu have 2 too many. ever since we got hold of those 2 we have been up a certain creek without a paddle.
 

 Dave said...
It is not directly the Argies fault Anon. I think there is lots that have contributed to this down fall. Reading between the lines of what Pardew said after the chesterfield game I think he might be feeling certain individual players (possibly NRC due to the Arsenal bid) are not pulling their weight for whatever reason.

I'm really hoping we can sort it out this weekend.
 

 West Ham said...
to be exact, it's this Carlos Alberto they're talking about.
 

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Don't think the Argies have anything to do with current predicament. It's too easy to use their arrival as a scapegoat.

Players come and go all the time in Professional football so I reckon it's bullshit to blame them or the idea we have too many foreign players. Infact I think the problems are with the British lads i.e Konch, Gabbs, Anton, NRC, Ethers, Harewood etc underpeforming

Anon calling Anon a cunt? Very confusing?
 

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Anon 2 - have you come over from westhamonline.net?? Just wondered as can detect a hint of aggression in your tone ;-)
 

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Funny you should say that Dave, thought the same thing. Very WHOesque. Anyway, Anon I for one have no problem with the foreign contingent in the sqquad. That's football these days.
 

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Totally - a few foreign players complement a side with an English core well. We certainly don't have too many foreigners and it is too easy to blame the ones that are here (the argies) for our predicament - it is far more complex than that IMO. If Ashton had started the season there wouldn't be this problem right now.
 

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Pardew didn't even sign them, which is worse. Chairman signings never work out. Ask Newcastle.

Pardew has to go now, so the new man can have a look at the players and make plans for the transfer window in advance.

I still don’t want Curbishley. He’ll keep us up and then give us 10 years of uninspiring 12th place finishes. We’re a big enough club to fork out for a proven top manager, no more up and comers, no more old school lads, no Curbs, no Dowie, etc.

Also, the chairman has to go. His continued ineptitude is responsible for this.
 

 whubris said...
I still want to stick by Pardew. He needs a kick up the arse if he's still going on about how great we are - the recent run should be giving him a big dose of humility that he seemed to have lost after last season. Ultimately I don't think sacking him will get us anywhere, not because he's great, but because there's nobody else we're likely to get who's any better (Curbs included).
 

 Anonymous said...
Thankfully Dennis Wise is no longer available. :)

good point, whubris.
 

 Gav said...
I have to say he need's to go and sooner rather than later, well done to Pard's you got a record any decent manager would not want 8 defeats in a row,, piss poor if you ask me, get him out now, before it is too late.. :( . We are a poor prem team but by far not the worse in the league, but you can't keep saying were having bud luck. Chesterfield ? who??? OUT NOW!!
 

 Dave said...
But it's not working whubris. How long do you keep fucking up until you're sacked at work?? You can't keep blaming luck and I'm not saying luck is not at fault but if nothing changes then the situation wont change as I see it.

I guess we'll be brighter if we turn over Blackburn Sunday but from what I've seen so far I don't see how that will happen. They're not even motivated by fear at the moment.
 

 Pinski said...
All I ask is that it doesn't take his brain bursting before someone to realize its gone to pot and that he needs to go.
 

 beggers said...
I agree with whubris sacking him will change nothing. Replace him with who? Where are all these proven top managers? We arrogantly did the same thing when we got rid of 'Arry , who came knocking, no one! Don't get me wrong I think the buck stops with Pards but unless he can be replaced with a genuine top manager, I don't see we have a choice. I'm just as fucked off as the rest of you, infact I'm in a vendetta kind of mood so God help anyone who pushes my buttons today, but it's happened now and there's fuck all we can do about it. It's game by game now lads, no delusions of winning anything, just concentrate on the next game.

You guys have been around long enough to know this is West Ham and we'll have to deal with this current disater as best we can. We punched above our weight last season and surprised a few sides, we also had our fair share of luck. But we've lost any luck we had, and teams now know what to expecet. So it's back to the training pitch and work hard to change things, what else can you do?

I would like Pards to change his current tactic of "can't fault the players effort" nonsense. Maybe he should try the Alex Ferguson approach and get get visibly angry with them. Who knows?

After today, it's painfully obvious that our only priority should be to survive the season above the drop zone. At least we don't have to worry about the Carling Cup anymore! It's still all to play for but like most of you on here I fear the worst.

I expect I'll cop some stick at the Roar game on Sat. what with me going to wear my WH shirt, but as a mate of mine said in a text message this morning when I put the same question to him, "we're irons mate, we can take it, it's not about a season or one game, it's our history, the shirt, it's in the blood, WEST HAM TILL I DIE.

I may be mental but bring on Blackburn!!!
 

 Hobbs said...
I think he’s been found out. He won’t fix the problem because he can’t. The dilemma now is as whubris suggests, is who would we replace him with? Finding a good manager is almost impossible. Look at Charlton, Man City, Newcastle, Boro, Brum, Leeds and even England, all taking risks with managers who are unqualified, unproven or just poor. We’ll want an English manager too and there are none going.

It’s looking bad on the pitch, but what concerns me is more, is the people in the boardroom. The club is a shambles and I fear the worst. Don’t be surprised if we get relegated with one of Bryan Robson, Brian Kidd, Kevin Keegan or Glenn Hoddle in charge. Ugh.

Then we’ll have to go back to a overrated Championship level manager, like Pardew.
 

 Anonymous said...
Clock ticks for Hammers move
 

 whubris said...
Pierre Littbarski might be available.

Sure AP isn't doing well but I'd love to see the statistics of how well a club does after sacking a manager - it seems like most of the time they do well for a half dozen games then go back to where they were before. A lot of the time you see clubs really struggle after changing managers. The only exceptions are really good managers like O'Neill - with everyone else, it's just musical chairs.

It's a bad slump but most clubs go through slumps and they rarely last more than a couple of months. Yeah we were bitten last time with Roeder, where they kept him on WAY too long, but Pardew's done all right till now. He hasn't been found out - he's obviously having trouble integrating the Argies and holding the dressing room together at the moment. He clearly had the players' respect last season, so I think he can get it back. He got them out of the whole slump after relegation and he can do it again.

BTW I totally agree with Beggers, well said!

Also Hobbs put it very well about managers, even if you think he should be sacked on the basis of performance, where will we go from there? Do we want to float around with different managers for the next 5 years? Fuck that with knobs on. AP is only the 10th manager for WHUFC, we're not one of those clubs who just go swapping managers all over the place. AP has the right stuff to be our manager - as long as he can sort this shit soon of course.

Having said all that I think he's right royally fucked up, and needs a big old kick right up the arse.
 

 Dave said...
You have to ask - why the fuck did he play Mullins Dailly & Reo-coker as his midfield oh and sorry the untested Kyel Reid??? We contsantly play with a team with no flair which does not suit West Ham.

I see the half arsed logic of needing players who can graft it but we've proven over and over that when we change our game plan to suit who we're playing we've immediately conceded that they will dictate the game and they will be playing a style they are comfortable with and we are not! AP has not learned this yet - I can't for the life of me fathom why not!

I'm sorry but we're the Premier League side so we should be making them play up to our standards if they want to be competitive in the game not the other way round. We did the same thing vs Watford and IMO that's where this whole season started to look a little ordinary to say the least.
 

 Dave said...
And please don't take me the worng way with Pards - I hope we give Blackburn a pasting and everything turns out good for him - I like the bloke and feel a bit gutted for him - I just fear where all this is going right now.

I like is attitude of not settling for mediocrity but when he comes out and says they showed good spirit and he couldn't fault his players - is that not settling for second best??

I'm bizarely looking forward to the Blackburn game because I want them to knock this one out of my system sooner rather than later!
 

 Dave said...
"The desire and passion were still there against Chesterfield," insisted Pards

LMAO!
 

 Anonymous said...
I think West Ham should stick by Pards. He knows time is running out. The players insist that they are behind Pards well it's time for THEM to prove it/ that comment is to Reo-Coker, Benayoun and Ferdinand who were great last year but shit this year. I must say though if we lose against Blackburn it could be curtains for Pardew
 

 Dave said...
Shit 1-1 :(
 

 Dave said...
Fuckin inevitable 1-2 :-(

Pardew out!
 

 Anonymous said...
For those with broadband here is a way of watching the game for free:

Download ppstream software - the following file and install.

http://www.ppstream.com/bin/ppstreamsetup.exe/

Open the program.

Paste this link into Internet explorer to load up the channel qsiv which is showing the game tomorrow:

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 Melbournehammer said...
It will be interesting to see the lineup.It's about time NRC and Konchesky are rested.I'd go

Green Pantsil Gabbidon Collins( if fit) Spector Harewood Mullins Mascherano Etherington/Reid Teddy Cole/Tevez
Subs Walker Daily Reid/Etherington Zamora Cole/Tevez
 

 Dave said...
And he's got away scott free. Apparently because the referee has already dealt with it by issuing a yellow card the FA can not intervene according to FIFA rules. I reckon that's bullshit cos they don't want to get involved and contradict the ref. If it was Julian Dicks they would have! I remember Dicksy got a yellow card for "stamping" on John Spencer and ended up with a 3 match ban!!! Inconsistent pricks!
 

 Anonymous said...
The press defended him too. Imagine the uproar if he was a foreigner and had bitten an Englishman.

It certainly was strange.
 

 whubris said...
Jeeze I hate that little fucker.
 

 whubris said...
Fuckin hell. And I'd be surprised to get more than about 2-3 points from the next 4 league matches.

Did you watch the game Dave? What's the story?
 

 Dave said...
Didn't watch it no. I'd be suprised if we stay up now I think. There's not much for us in November. I'm thinking we may beat Blackburn at home next week but we won't go on from there and beat Arsenal and Chelsea.
 

 Dave said...
Odds of 4.50 tempted me to waste a fiver also. :-(
 

 Anonymous said...
It's time to stop even pretending we're going to play good football and just get points.

Man City, Sheffield united, Watford and Charlton are very very poor teams and we can't allow them to finish above us on grit alone while we go down in glorious failure (in our minds). No more neutral's favourite style football. Just get points.
 

 Dave said...
Anon - I don't think we are even playing that pretty mate - it's just not happening in the final third for us mate. Latest report says we were working hard and pumping long balls - no sign of pretty football.
 

 beggers said...
I agree Dave, I reckon we are in deep shit. How fucked is it when you feel your only hope is relying on the other shit teams around you to also keep losing.

A win against Chesterfield, with ex Hammer Richard Garcia up front, might give us some confidence for the Blackburn game. Maybe, sigh! If I was Pards I'd be playing my strongest team, they need to play as much as possible to get their confidence back. And IMO that's all it is, a few wins on the bounce and your back in there. Sounds easy doesn't it?

On a different note, there's about 15 of us coming up from the Coast for the Roar game this Saturday, a few WH amongst us. We'll be in the Caxton from about 5.30ish if anyones interested in catching up for a beer. You won't miss me I'll be the sad bastard wearing the WH shirt drowning his sorrows.
 

 Dave said...
Beggers

Richard Garcia plays for Colchester mate - I know it's confusing they both begin with C ;-) Chesterfield is up north somewhere - expect them to knock us out of the cup come wednesday morning - it WILL happen!

Sorry I only just checked my BH email addy at the weekend and saw your message about the Roar. I personally won't be going but yeah you've got the message out now but I'll happily put a full thread up if you want? :-)
 

 beggers said...
Dave, and there I was feeling pretty pleased with myself, what an arse! I'm still clinging onto the hope we can beat the mighty Colchester aka Chesterfield, but I wouldn't be surprised.

No need for the thread mate, just an excuse to catch up really, have a few beers and complain about how shit we are. I was contemplating coming up to watch WH/spuds game with you lot if Fox had it on the box, really glad they didn't show it. Bad enough watching it at home and losing but in a room full of spuds laughing at us, no thanks.

Forget how hard it can be to support this club sometimes.
 

 BrisvegasHammer said...
I've been doing more work lately, explains things, not fair weather, more to do keeping my state of mind well
 

 beex said...
Dave, I agree totally and have a good feeling about Marlon too after his reserve goals. 2-1 to us but I reckon it's gonna be a real scrap with lots of bookings and maybe a red card or two

PS - A little bird told me it may be on Super Soccer on TV Ants (no worrimeen guvnor)
 

 Anonymous said...
I think the dire situation coupled with the hostile atmosphere at Spurts might just regalvanise the players in the mould of last season.

Let’s hope so.
 

 Anonymous said...
West Ham striker Carlos Tevez insists he is enjoying his time in England despite failing to shine in the EPL so far.

The 22-year-old Argentinian joined the Hammers from Brazilian side Corinthians on transfer deadline day this season alongside compatriot Javier Mascherano, but the east Londoners have failed to win a game since the pair arrived.

Even so, the forward is revelling in the experience of Premiership football with the Hammers.

He told Ole newspaper: "It is wonderful. The stadium is full, the people are near us and there are no barriers. It is impossible to imagine that in Argentina."

"The supporters do not bother you here. They are calmer. I go out and I am calm. The English do not show the same passion as we have for football. If they are in the stadium, they are fervent. But day by day, they are not like the Argentinians or the Brazilians."

One thing Tevez has not quite got to grips with is the language.

He said: "I am learning English. I knew a little English from school, although I did not remember a lot. I have to be patient."

The Argentina international reportedly experienced problems with some of his Corinthians team-mates, but he has been impressed with the Hammers squad, many of whom have gone out of their way to help him settle in.

He said: "I do not have friends here yet. It is difficult because of the language. I want to learn at least a bit more English to be closer to my team-mates."

"When Javier and I landed in London, all of them helped us to get to know the city and to look for an apartment. The people get 10 out of 10."

"As people told me, I thought I was going to be with cold people, but here everyone is very nice."
 

 Dave said...
beex - where'd you get that info re TVANTS? All schedules seem to suggest there is no stream tonight.
 

 beex said...
Dave, Yeah I thought the same but just found this ;-) http://www.football4less.com/schedules/schedules_22102006.html Hope it's on the money??
COME ON YOU IRONS!!!
 

 norven munky said...
2-1 to us but what do I know. I lost a bucket of cash against Portsmouth :(
 

 beex said...
Dave,
This birdy also told me it's on Fox Soccer Channel US and Fox Soccer World Canada
http://www.soccertv.com/
 

 Anonymous said...
I use fl-tv.cc/reg.htm
It costs 2 quid or about $5.13 and I pay with my paypal account. Watched the Man City,Newcastle and Reading games.Good streaming without any breaks.English commentary. Arabic text and ads at halftime.
 

 Anonymous said...
West Ham consider Olympic Stadium move
 

 Anonymous said...
http://www.ultimatefootballsurvey.com.au/
 

 Anonymous said...
I was up at the Novotel Twin Waters resort on the weekend for a function and when it finished we proceeded to the bar afterwards.On the screen next to the one showing the Liverpool/Blackburn game was live sky sports news from the UK with live crosses to all the games. I thought, WTF, where are they getting this from.It turns out that the foxsports news channel now shows live skysports UK from midnight to 6am everyday.

Guys, to get an identity what do I need to type in on the second page when it aska for blogger title and blogger address.
 

 Dave said...
Anon - I assume the blogger title is Whu-au and the blogger address is the address of this site.

Yeah actually I've not watched the skysports news service yet but I did know about it. I'll post something on here about it - I meant to do it last week. Either way I'd still rather have at least one other game on one of the other channels.
 

 McFugger said...
Why don't they just give us the option for Sky Sports from the UK and perhaps Sky Italia?

It's not like the 3 Foxsports channels are all local content anyway. Hell, we get ESPN.
 

 Anonymous said...
"Everyone's very comfortable on the ball and almost all of them are athletic. We play what I call 'orgy football': the other team know they're going to get it, but they don't know from whom or where from" - Cardiff chairman Sam Hammam.
 

 whubris said...
By the way I don't think you're supposed to name this website or the name of it - it's asking you to name your OWN blog. (There'd be a way to circumvent that)
 

 norven munky said...
the 6 hour feed of sky sports on fox sports news is also on Monday morning (midnight to 6am)
 

 beggers said...
Yeeeessss!!! Get in there my son! How good would it be to wake up Sunday morning with a result against spuds? Not doing the 'predict score' anymore, it's been nothing but bad luck since we started it.
 

 Dave said...
I've heard it is only a stock exchange announcement that they guy is upping his bid. Why would brown accept 40m when he was asking for 104m 2 weeks ago?
 

 Anonymous said...
Curbishley could lead us safely to mediocrity, but probably no further. I’d prefer to see pardew lead us out of this than sack him too soon.
 

 Dave said...
I agree anon. I think what I'm saying is you know what will happen is Pardew will get the sack in 2 or 3 months time by which time Curbishley will have a new job and we'll be in a Roeder situation with nobody available.
 

 norven munky said...
Curbs hardly fostered inspiring football at Charlton. They were more boring than boring boring Arsenal.

When was the last time Pardew did something tactically insightful?

My car performed like a champion last year. But that doesn't make me a master mechanic. It just means my car didn't break down all year. Profound hey..regular munky mantra
 

 Anonymous said...
Sven will take over and bring in Becks.

:)

At least he'd get our Argies working. Everyone who worked under him in Italy liked him and he won the league.
 

 Hobbs said...
If Grant had have stuck around, he may have had a chance at becoming West Ham manager.
 

 whubris said...
I'd like to see AP stay on. I don't think sacking managers gets you anywhere.
 

 whubris said...
from BBC

West Ham promote Peacock and Keen

West Ham boss Alan Pardew has promoted coach Keith Peacock to replace former assistant manager Peter Grant, who has left to take over at Norwich City.

Reserve team boss Kevin Keen has also moved up and is now first team coach.

"I have always promoted from within, and this enables us to move on quickly from Peter's departure," said Pardew.

West Ham have suffered six consecutive defeats and dropped into the bottom three of the Barclays Premiership after Saturday's 2-0 defeat at Portsmouth.

"Kevin is West Ham United through and through. He cares deeply about the club and has proven himself to be a very able coach during his time here," added Pardew.

"Keith and I go back a long way and, having been involved with us since the start of the season, he is now fully settled in here.

"I am sure both will play key parts in helping us to get back on track."
 

 Anonymous said...
Norven munky, your car performed like a champion because you used the correct type of fuel.swt.

Looks like our trip to Glasgow in May is off then.
 

 norven munky said...
ok who is the anonymous that knows I put unleaded in the diesel hire car on my way to Cardiff last May? :)


Glasgow in May..? Too early for a pre-season tour....Wembley not ready so the Cup Final will be at Ibrox? I give up.
 

 Dave said...
Norven - it's Richard you doodle!
 

 Dave said...
Glasgow was the UEFA final. Richard & I had a pact that we'd do a weekender in Glasgow for the final if we got there. :-)
 

 Anonymous said...
My name is not Richard.

NM, go back through yor emails.I was about the last one of the group to send around some Cardiff photos about a month ago.That should give you a clue to who I am.

When you posted the comment about your car, I couldn't resist not responding.At least you had some sort of fuel in the tank, WHU have no fuel in the tank at the moment although a win against spurs might just kickstart the season again.
 

 Dave said...
Sorry Anon - I assumed it was Richard - especially with the double comment about the fuel and Glasgow. :-)
 

 norven munky said...
hmmm..I'll check my work email tomorrow...I remembewr getting photos from a few ppl incl Bob, Imre, & Dave&Kirsten but didn't think any were as recent as a month ago..

It was a great trip with great people!

I know I promised to send a cd of my photos to a couple of people and have just realised I still haven't done that yet..mega apologies.

cheers..will send an email to catch up when I work out who it actually is for sure.

NM
ps you should grab a blogger account and join the whu-au blog community more regularly :)
 

 Melbournehammer said...
NM, I now have an identity!
 

 norven munky said...
Hi Imre :) Never mind about missing out on Ibrox in May 07, there's the possibility of a playoff final in May 08 after we ge relegated this season!
 

 Anonymous said...
Maybe pardew should read the Mascherano interview

"In every team I've played I've always been more of a defensive player rather than attacking, you know?"

Why the fuck sub Mascherano on so late?

We're 18th after 8 games. Charlton play Fulham in two days time and could overtake us as well.
 

 Dave said...
So I did well to miss my first west ham game of the season and not bother staying up for it then. I kinda hoped by not watching it they might win - oh well looks like we are just crap and there's nothing I can do about it. :-(
 

 chicken runner said...
hmm - 900 minutes = 10 games. Played 10 games this season - must have been dreaming about BobbyZ's goals then!
 

 norven munky said...
yeah you are right the maths don't work.

Some geezer in the kumb portsmouth match thread was doing a countdown..if you are "chicken runner" from kumb then you were participating in that thread??

In any case its been a fecking long time since we scored :)
 

 Anonymous said...
schalom!
 

 Anonymous said...
West Ham assitant manager has left his post at West Ham to become Norwich City manager.

Things just keep getting worse.........
 

 Anonymous said...
Peter Grant = Very underated
 

 norven munky said...
I was quoting from elsewhere, hence the quote marks :) but I suspect you realised that given your quote marks in the story title.

Barking & Dagenham Post

Fuck, just conceded a soft goal :(
 

 norven munky said...
oh yeah, and Anton & Gabbs both started btw

If we fail to score in this game it will be a new record of games without a goal (previous record 1919/20!)
 

 norven munky said...
starting to get a really good feeling about this weekend.

3-1, Tevez, Bobby & Bowyer
 

 Dave said...
O - congrats on your first blog post and thanks - blinding first post - really intresting.

Munky - glad you're optomistic - unfortunately I'm not quite so. I have access to watch a delayed stream and I'm debating whether or not it is worth me staying up as I have been bitterly disappointed thus far. I'd also be interested to see Bowyer score having just had a hernia op just last week ;-). I really hope we can turn it around this week but Pompey away is a very tricky tie.
 

 norven munky said...
wtf? where was the post about Bowyers op?

whu-au is spose to be at the coalface of breaking news... :)

Anyway it looks like his shoulder not his groin will keep him out :-

"LEE BOWYER has suffered a shoulder injury - just days after resuming training following a hernia operation, writes Tom Harvey.

The West Ham midfielder damaged his shoulder on Friday when he fell awkwardly, two days after returning from Germany where he went under the surgeon's knife to repair a hernia problem.

Bowyer missed West Ham's last game - a 1-0 home defeat by Reading - due to the hernia injury and is now a doubt for Saturday's away clash against Portsmouth at Fratton Park."

Defensively things are looking up tho,

"Anton Ferdinand, John Pantsil, Tyrone Mears and James Collins are all expected to be available for the trip to Fratton Park"

$3.55 the win looks juicy to me..remember the wise munky that didn't back them away at Palermo while a whu-au poster who shall remain nameless got into em!
 

 beggers said...
Over it!

All I care about is beating Portsmouth this weekend.

ALAN PARDEWS CLARET AND BLUE ARMY.....
 

 Hobbs said...
Takeover bid's debt plan worries West Ham but options narrow

At least it's not that dodgy geezer who owns our Argie players.
 

 Anonymous said...
Alfio Basile's concerns about Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez are looking increasingly justified.

Mascherano:

Q: What have you observed about the English game so far?

JM: Well... I guess it depends on the teams. Most play with two central midfielders maybe a little bit further up front. But it varies. If you look at Chelsea, they have a defensive midfielder in Makelele. Arsenal plays with Gilberto and Fabregas, but Gilberto is the defensive midfielder. Manchester plays Carrick - defensive midfielder ... I think when a team plays with two midfielders one has to defend a bit more than the other. And one has to provide some balance. Logically, if they can take turns, that's the best. Maybe I find Liverpool is the team where they can both do it. Like Xabi Alonso and Gerrard, you know? And now Sissoko, who can reach the goal area - but also, when one is up front, the other can defend. The other thing here is that it's a very fast game, it requires a lot of people attacking, a lot of players up front. And then, when the move is over, get back really quickly to defend ... I think it's a lovely game, really dynamic. End to end. But it's fast!
 

 Dave said...
This actually looks better if you just take the 4 league games. Spurs first 4 against ours = no wins and 1 point different with Spurs conceding 14 us 6!
 

 Anonymous said...
i hate spurs.
 

 beggers said...
Pretty obvious really, all the players have to perfom in order to be successfull. It's a team sport and a couple of gun players make fcuk all difference if the 9 around you aren't up for it.
 

 beggers said...
Nice banner Dave. How was the atmosphere at the game last night?
 

 Dave said...
Pretty lame really beggers. I don't understand why Australians haven't grasped the concept of singing their teams on.
 

 norven munky said...
Australians like this?
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/cycl0ne184/Miscellaneous/aussie_wannabe600.jpg
 

 norven munky said...
few others :-

Bresciano freekick
Velcro knee
Injured Zelko
 

 Dave said...
I won't be wearing those shitty colours during the Ashes mate that's for sure! ;-)

Jeez I had a lot to drink last night - I'd forgotten about that photo! :)
 

 Anonymous said...
nice banner.
 

 beggers said...
Nice photos NM. Velcro knee haha! That photo of Dave, was that before or after he struck up a chorus of Waltzing Matilda?
 

 Dave said...
I'm slowly gonna make a few site improvements - what do you think of the ticker tape guys?? :-)
 

 Anonymous said...
There is code to remove the Blogger Menu Bar. You might want to try and find out what it is.
 

 norven munky said...
in general I find ticker tapes distracting..the one you have whacked up looks ok when you look at it specifically but will it wear thin after a while? I guess it disappears off the top as soon as you scroll down to a story.

In any case it obviously shouldn't take the place of any content being posted.

Agree that pissing off the blogger menu bar would be a good idea.

Having said all that I think the site looks pretty smick...
 

 Dave said...
The idea is not to replace content - the idea would be to put scores across the top and headlines of current articles on the site. What I've put on there now is just really for demo purposes - at the weekend I'll put the EPL results on there. :-)

I have a couple of other ideas for little fancy things to put on the site and will stick some up for comment as and when I get time.

I think we need to get a little more regular with meet ups for the Brisbane Hammers and announce it on here. We should try and get together for the Saturday midnight kick offs - there have not been many if any yet this season unfortunately. We seem to always play on a Sunday which is a pig for us.
 

 norven munky said...
yeah results would be good on the ticker..preferably WH wins tho.. :)
 

 beggers said...
Ticker looks fine and I like the idea of the headlines and scores across the top. It's a good site already IMO. Like the idea of catching up for some games. Will have to come up with a devious plan to get back down the coast though. Think man think!
 

 Anonymous said...
From the Football365.com letters page.

And Finally, A Rather Lengthy Bit Of Advice About Palermo
I'd just like to warn Newcastle fans of the reception they may get in Palermo on the 2nd November.

My wife and I have made three visits to Palermo in the last two years. We are learning Italian at night school and it is a perfect place to go to practice talking, as unlike most other large cities/tourist resorts in Italy people don't automatically start talking English to you. It is also a fascinating place to visit historically, with great food. I follow how their football team do in Serie A and am delighted they're doing so well this year, as well as feeling sympathy for the Hammers who I think got the worst possible draw in the UEFA Cup.

Now the good bit's out of the way, let me tell you about the downsides.

Although Palermo isn't the most welcoming place one could visit despite its attractions, I wasn't expecting the trouble I saw last Wednesday and Thursday night. Palermo isn't the kind of place where one can sit in a bar and get nicely p**sed on a matchday before the game. There are no pubs and few bars in the centre which cater to 'drinkers'. It's a city where you sit down to eat a good meal and have a glass of wine to drink with it.

I have never seen a local either drinking on the street or drunk on the street. It's alien to them. Arriving from the Aeolian islands on Thursday lunchtime, I wasn't surprised to see many West Ham fans collected around the few bars there are. While none of them appeared at all drunk at that time, there had been quite a bit of trouble the night before, and the carabinieri and fans were eyeing each other up menacingly. This is in contrast to the cordial atmosphere I am told by people I trust that there was around Upton Park at the first leg. Apparently Hammers fans and Palermo tifosi mingled in the pubs and all was friendly.

Palermo is a city with a relatively large historic centre where most visiting fans would congregate, the stadium being some way out of town. Most of the historic centre is 400 years old, and most of the buildings are held up by scaffolding. Some of them haven't any roofs, the city not having been fully rebuilt since the Allied bombing raids of 1943. There is a rumoured 30% unemployment rate in the city.

Whilst being perfectly nice to me and my wife, who talk fair-to-middling Italian, there seemed to be a siege mentality in the behaviour of most of the Palermitans we spoke to. Whether this was instilled in them by the press and the police or both, I've no idea. I tried twice to buy tickets for the Palermo areas of the ground [as I knew that if we sat in the WH end we would be kept in for hours afterwards] and was refused [politely] because I was English. I saw Hammers refused service in restaurants for no reason.

The centre is largely made up of dark, menacing-and-decrepit-looking alleys. I am told that West Ham fans had roof tiles thrown down on their heads after having been chased into an alley one night last week, and given the amount of people with head bandages I saw in the departure lounge at the airport on Friday night I can believe that they didn't all get hurt by falling over p***ed.

Before the match the carabinieri stopped some fans I spoke to WHO HAD TICKETS from entering the stadium [the road to the stadium was closed before the match], so those fans who had spent £300 for their flight, stayed in a hotel for two nights and blown cash on beer and food and took three days off work weren't even able to see the game. I am told as well that although the carabinieri weren't overly violent, they made no attempt whatever to either protect West Ham fans or to arrest the italian troublemakers throwing bricks or rocks and carrying knives.

I would say that whilst accepting ALL of the trouble probably wasn't 100% down to the Palermo fans/yobs, and that it's feasible the locals may view Geordies in some way different to the Hammers [though I doubt it] that it is unlikely either the local populace or the Palermo fans will roll out the red carpet for Magpies fans on the 2nd November. You might like to think hard about whether the long trip is worth it.

I have no wish to upset either West Ham or Palermo fans by writing this piece, that certainly isn't my aim. I feel I owe it to my fellow football fans to warn them not to waste their hard-earned money or get hurt.
Paul Venables
 

 whubris said...
Interesting posts guys. Dave, I won't be spurning the Guardian just yet, where else will I turn for a quick article when I'm feeling lazy? ;-)

Tomorrow's gonna be fuckin massive.
 

 norven munky said...
Did Dave ask you to spurn the Guardian?

I ranted at them in the original article..
 

 beggers said...
Typical media beat up about English football teams in Europe. Soon as there's any trouble it has to be our fault! Bollocks! Even during the WC, German fans were involved in 3 scuffles that made the news and the Engish fans one. But what did you here most about? Anyway, saw the incident in question on the news, a few plastic chairs being thrown around, big deal, seen worse trouble at Fishermans wharf at the Sunday Session.

Have a good one tomorrow lads. Unfortunately we won't be there, dragged the chain too long and missed out. Bugger!
 

 Dave said...
I had a go at the Guardian via email when Omar originally emailed out that second article that you posted on here munkey.
 

 Anonymous said...
Basile urges duo to quit Hammers
 

 Dave said...
I know its a C&P but do we have to call them the Qantas Socceroos?? Fucking corporate sell outs!
 

 whubris said...
I suppose it's better than the Virgin Socceroos
 

 Dave said...
Virgin Matildas - now that's more like it ;-)
 

 Anonymous said...
I take it you Aussies have a 'Young Virgins' too.
 

 Anonymous said...
Shame they don't all look like this.
 

 beggers said...
But they do Anon, well the ugly ones.

Can't take time off to attend and I only throw sickies to watch WEST HAM.
 

 beggers said...
Dave, get rid of the banner mate, it's depressing enough without it staring me in the face eveytime I get on this blog!
 

 Dave said...
yeah I'll get it sorted beggers.
 

 whubris said...
Please note that the Courier-Mail has (presumably deliberately)published that the appearance is tomorrow (Friday) - conniving bastards. I can confirm that it is definitely today (Thursday).
 

 Dave said...
Either way mate what needs to occur is NRC to fuck off. He is so off the boil it is not funny. Mullins did his role well and we looked more organised with him in there but with Tevez playing practically in Midfield I can only echo your sentiments with regards to needing extra options up front.

Now we have a two week break and then Pompey away - I don't hold my breath for getting anything there.
 

 beggers said...
Feels like deja'vu to me. This is real bad.

Didn't see the game but I knew Reading would be up for it, for obvious reasons.

Not getting much luck at the moment and that's what's bothering me. Seen it before, dare I say, the last time we got re.....

Real depressed at the moment, not suicidal NM just fucking worried.

Can't even be bothered to talk team selections.sigh!
 

 whubris said...
Didn't see it but have read a report or two.

1. Fuck off NRC.
2. Welcome back Muggers.
3. Definitely agree with your team there Norven.
 

 Anonymous said...
Frustrated by the result but a better performance.
NRC played well the first half but non existant in the second.Cole ran and tried very hard but lacked the quality last touch.Konchesky runs and puffs for not much result.Etherington frustates,was his effort in the second half a cross to Zamora or a shot.We played too much down the left.Daily,Gabbidon and Spector all did their job and Reading never really looked a threat for 89 minutes.
The highlight for me was when a Reading player went down next to the sideline and was obviouly wasting time.Out came rampaging Roy Carroll and tried to pick him up and push him over the sideline. The player jumped up so quickly and proved to everyone he was not hurt.Carroll is then booked !!
I'd have Bowyer in my starting XI.I think it is matter of grinding out results in the next month or two until Ashton is back. The things that hurts me the most is the quality of opposition we are losing to is poor.
 

 Anonymous said...
Some reasons for optimism

Green
Pantsil Collins Ferdinand McCartney
Mears Mascherano Bowyer Noble
Ashton Harewood

The squad is deep unlike other disaster years.Just need a bit of luck to go our way.

Anyone else notice how our form has declined since Shaun Newton's absence.One can say we are not getting the same supply from the midfield anymore.No wonder NRC is grumpy all the time.
 

 Anonymous said...
NRC might be doin shit now but he won't be dropped. He's our captain ffs
rumours in England suggest it's coz we rejected a 13million bid from Arsenal